Tai Zen: What’s up guys, this is Tai Zen and my buddy LeonFu.com here. We’re broadcasting from the parking lot of a Bank of America in North Dallas. We needed some shade and this is the only place that we found some shade to shoot this video. And we’re here with the PrisonOrFreedom.com. It’s a blog where we talk about the tools, technologies and the strategies to help people find more freedom in their lives.
And in this video, we want to continue part 4 of “A Million Killer Apps” that’s put out by James D’Angelo from the World Bitcoin Network. I was supposed to get with him and do part 2 a few months ago, but we keep missing each other every time I go to Boston. So I just finally decided, “Hey, what? Since my buddy Leon is here visiting me in Dallas, we’ll just go ahead and shoot it now.”
And I want you guys to stick around because we’re going to talk a lot about the million killer apps that can come from the Bitcoin public ledger technology that’s going to revolutionize finances. And also at the end of this video, we want to talk about this Bitcoin price that Leon and I’ve given out.
Because, in the first one of the older videos that Leon and I did, people recognize that we were in a Maserati and we didn’t expect that. So at the end of this video, guys, we’re going to talk about a contest we’re having with viewers who can figure out what kind of car that we’re in this time.
Leon Fu: That’s right Maserati’s gone.
Tai Zen: The Maserati is gone. So we’re going to see if you guys can figure out what car we’re in this time. So let’s go and get started and talk about the million killer apps that can come from the Bitcoin public ledger technology and how it’s going to change finances.
Leon and I wanted to discuss the theme of being permissionless and being able to do things in finances without having to ask anybody for permission. And we’re going to talk specifically about trading. In most of the world today, Leon’s from China, I’m from Vietnam, both communist countries.
And one of the things that the citizens of those countries cannot do is that they’re not allowed to go into other markets, especially in the financial markets and trade currencies and trade stocks, commodities and other financial products from other countries.
And that’s a huge downfall for these people and these people that are in these countries should be able to access any market from anywhere in the world. Leon and myself in America, we can access other markets, but that’s not the same for other countries, and we made a list here. We made a list of things here that…
There’s a million things that are going to change and finances due to the public ledger technology that Bitcoin has provided, that Satoshi Nakamoto has given us.
This public ledger technology allows everyone to be able to read and record, to audit the ledger without having to ask permission from anyone. You want to talk about trading without permission to get that started?
Leon Fu: Well yeah, in order to start trading, we need to open an account. That alone is a barrier to entry.
Tai Zen: Because for people like in China, in Vietnam and Africa, especially like in Nigeria and stuff. They won’t let people from Nigeria open up any kind of trading accounts in America because I think that everyone there is full of crooks and full of fraud and you and I both know that there are bad people in every country, there are good people in every country.
But we should not make the laws based on the bad people, and then push out the good people that are trying to do. So one of the things that the Bitcoin technology has allowed us to do is that you no longer need permission to set up an account.
Anyone, regardless of your race, your age, the country that you come from, the language that you speak, anyone can go into the Bitcoin market and be able to open up an account and start trading Bitcoin.
Leon Fu: That’s right because the security is based on computation.
Tai Zen: Math.
Leon Fu: Math. It is not based on keeping bad people out. It’s a totally different paradigm where right now the current financial system is based on trying to figure out who’s not a criminal and that’s impossible to do really.
Tai Zen: Yeah, no one can be able to enforce that 100%. But then you talk about how…Because it’s based on math, even if bad people enter the system, they cannot change the math, right?
Leon Fu: Well it’s not that. Bitcoin has gotten the incentives, right?
Tai Zen: Yeah.
Leon Fu: It’s not based on figuring out who’s a good person and who’s a bad person.
Tai Zen: Yeah.
Leon Fu: It’s based on the incentive structure where if you do good, you’re rewarded. And if you do bad, you get punished.
Tai Zen: Yeah.
Leon Fu: So it’s about creating the right incentives for people to do good rather than having a government agency to punish people who are bad actors.
Tai Zen: Yeah.
Leon Fu: That’s how Bitcoin has succeeded without any kind of regulator or anything. It’s just by doing the right thing, you’re benefiting yourself and if you don’t do the right thing…
Tai Zen: You won’t get any benefit.
Leon Fu: And you’ll lose money.
Tai Zen: Yeah okay. The other thing that I wanted to share is that Bitcoin has allowed people to trade without any capital requirements. So for example, as I trade through Trade Station, which is a very popular broker in America and they require a $5,000 minimum to set up a stock account.
And if you want to trade stocks, buy and sell stocks as often as you want, as many times as you want in America, you have to actually put a down payment or you have to put in your account at least $25,000 and the minute it drops below $25,000 by one penny, you have to add more to it or else you cannot buy and sell stocks as often as you want.
So that creates a barrier to entry to a lot of the smaller people and individuals who want to manage their own retirement accounts and take care of their own money. Now they have to come up with $25,000 to do that. Whereas Bitcoin, there is no minimum requirement.
Leon Fu: There is none.
Tai Zen: And you can go long, you can buy it expecting the price to go up or you can sell it short expecting the price to go down without any capital restrictions or requirements.
Leon Fu: Yes, any capital restriction would be imposed by the brokerage running the individual exchanges.
Tai Zen: Yeah and if you don’t like the rules you just move to another exchange.
Leon Fu: Another exchange.
Tai Zen: Okay, and there are no shorting rules in Bitcoin either.
Leon Fu: There are no shorting rules as of right now, but once again the problem is who is creating the shorting instruments.
Tai Zen: Okay.
Leon Fu: Right?
Tai Zen: Yeah.
Leon Fu: That is the restrictions and there have been exchanges that have… the problem is remembering without regulation, then it cuts both ways right? It means it puts a responsibility… there’s no government that’s going to protect you, right?
So on one hand, it reduces the barriers to entry. But on the other hand, you do have to look out for yourself now. You have to become more educated, you need to basically be street smarts to know what you’re getting into. Because with rewards come risk. And right now the financial system is heavily regulated, we don’t even give those people the option.
Tai Zen: What it also does too is that the Bitcoins public ledger has allowed… Because right now there’s a lot of big institutions that can sell short, in case anyone of you guys don’t know what selling short is, selling short means that you are selling a financial product and you’re expecting it to go down in value or go down in price and you’re going to profit from it.
So there are ways to make money in trading where when the product goes up, you make money, but there are also ways to make money so that when the price goes down, you make money, and that’s called short, selling short, now explain what naked shorting is.
Leon Fu: Naked shorting is when you sell short and you don’t actually deliver…
Tai Zen: You don’t have the product.
Leon Fu: You don’t have the product to deliver to the buyer.
Tai Zen: So one of the things that the Bitcoin public ledger will allow or prevent, in my opinion, is the ability for big institutions to naked short, meaning that they’re selling short the shares of a stock or the shares of oil or gold or silver or any of those products without actually having it.
Leon Fu: That happens all the time in the commodities market, the gold market, the silver market. The majority of the trading that happens is all just paper. You’re not really trading the commodity, you’re just saying I’m going long and you’re going short and you want to go short some more you just create more paper to go short on.
Tai Zen: Yeah because there’s not enough gold or silver in the world to actually back up those papers.
Leon Fu: The way they settle it is those contracts are not actually settled in the commodity. They’re settled with cash. It’s a cash settlement. It is not like you went long ton of gold. I’m going to settle your trade with a ton of gold. It’s mainly, “All right, you went long at this price and now gold is trading at this price and we’ll just settle the difference with cash.”
Tai Zen: Yeah so there’s no physical gold involved.
Leon Fu: There’s no physical gold, whatever the commodity is.
Tai Zen: But in Bitcoin, it’s not going to be easy to do that because we know there’s a limited supply.
Leon Fu: But because it’s so easy to deliver Bitcoin. It’s so easy. It’s just digits. That it’s probably won’t be settled the same way as a physical commodity because nobody’s going to bring a thousand bushels of corn or whatever they’re trading and that’s one of the advantages is, it’s much harder to manipulate cryptocurrencies.
Because there’s an expectation that they will be actually like if I bought a Bitcoin from you, I expect the coin from you, there’s no reason why you can’t deliver to me if you sold it to me.
Tai Zen: Now in addition to the shorting rules or the naked shorting that the institutions are doing, the Bitcoin public ledger is going to help cut out a lot of that nonsense, we also talked about having licenses because I don’t know how it is in China and Vietnam or some of these other countries.
But I know that in America, in order for you to trade someone else’s money, you need to have a CTA or a license or some kind of government regulated license for you to do that. Whereas with Bitcoin if you want me to trade it you can just send me the Bitcoins and I’ll trade it or if I want you to trade my Bitcoins I can just send it to you.
Leon Fu: As of now there’s no way for the government to regulate Bitcoin, what they can regulate is on ramps and off ramps.
Tai Zen: When you convert it from Bitcoin to Fiat, to the Dollar, the Euro or the Pound.
Leon Fu: Yeah that’s where the government comes in, once you are in Bitcoin, then it becomes software. Your money has literally turned into cloud money and it becomes where you are free to do whatever you want.
Now we’re still very early, there’s a lot of these services don’t exist yet. I mean compared to the traditional financial markets were still very limited, but we’re limited because of technical reasons.
We’re limited because the infrastructure hasn’t been built out yet, but they’re working on it, but I mean, hundreds of millions of BC capital is going towards building this infrastructure.
Tai Zen: So basically if a trader shows good results with his Bitcoin trading in Africa or in China and Asia or any country like that, or even in the Middle East that’s not an ally of the US, they can actually ask for funds and if they’ve built up a good track record and have a credibility, they can actually… like you or I can actually send money to them and let them manage it and let them trade it. They don’t need a CTA license or any kind of…
Leon Fu: Because no one can stop Bitcoin transactions. Like if I want to send US dollars I have to go through Western Union or through PayPal or whatever, some financial institution.
Tai Zen: And we have to like for example right now it’s interesting but we’re parked in a Bank of America parking lot while we’re shooting this video in the shade. We were driving up and down Dallas. This is the only place that we’ve found some shade under a tree – in the Bank of America parking lot, so we decided to shoot the video here.
What’s ironic is that if I want to send money to you, if you were in China right now and I wanted to send money to you, I have to ask permission from Bank of America they have to give me permission.
Leon Fu: Well, WikiLeaks was a classic example, because of what they were publishing, the US government basically cut off the all the traditional VISA, MasterCard, bank wires, they cut funding from them and so the only way they were able to get funding was through Bitcoin. And that just shows that they were not able to stop those transactions from going through.
Tai Zen: Okay earlier, we were eating breakfast and you mentioned some of the other killer apps that can happen in the financial world, including being able to audit some of the financial institutions…
You were talking about like Lehman Brothers, how they collapsed, how some of these big banking institutions like Lehman Brothers, like AIG and Goldman Sachs and these big banks where right now the shareholders are not allowed… they don’t have permission to go into their ledger, the banks ledger and audit their books and things like that.
But now with the Bitcoin technology, the companies that have integrity, they can put their ledger on the Bitcoin public ledger, and their accounting…
Leon Fu: That’s a possibility, right? It’s called the triple entry accounting.
Tai Zen: Okay, talk a little bit about that.
Leon Fu: Okay so the typical traditional book is where… this was double entry book accounting, was invented back in the Renaissance. The family, I think in Italy…
Tai Zen: Why was it invented though?
Leon Fu: It was invented so that as an owner of the company that you could trust your own books, it had to…
Tai Zen: You can start trusting people outside your immediate family member.
Leon Fu: Yeah or outside of your trusted circle and that’s how they were able to scale, they had the first big banking institution right.
Tai Zen: In Europe.
Leon Fu: In Europe, and it is what finance like the Michelangelo’s and Raphael and the whole renaissance artists, it’s how this was financed, but the problem with that is it allowed you as an owner to trust your own books, but it didn’t allow outside investors and shareholders to know that “All right, well you just presented me with an income statement saying you did say 100 million in revenue.” How do I know that actually happened? Maybe the whole thing with cooking the books.
Tai Zen: So now that requires a third party to come in and audit your books.
Leon Fu: Yes, and to say that we are vouching that this is true.
Tai Zen: Yeah. So let’s just say, you got the iPhone here, let’s say Apple wants to prove to the shareholders that it’s sold, it made X amount of billions of dollars this year, in order to show that those statements are real, they actually have to pay a third party to come in, audit the books and sign off on it and create a public report for the shareholders and the investors.
Leon Fu: And the regulators.
Tai Zen: And the regulators to know that Apple’s books are clean.
Leon Fu: Every publicly traded company.
Tai Zen: Okay but there is a conflict of interest with that, talk about the conflict of interest.
Leon Fu: Well the thing is, Apple is the one paying and this is what happened in…
Tai Zen: So when you say Apple is paying what are you talking about?
Leon Fu: Well they’re paying the auditors to audit their books, the auditors need to get paid for doing work.
But that creates a conflict of interest because the auditors are creating a report for the shareholders, for the outsiders, the government, regulators, the investors, everyone else.
Tai Zen: People outside the company.
Leon Fu: People outside of the company to prove their statements are true but this happened with like Arthur Anderson and Enron, where they were paying Arthur Anderson…
Tai Zen: So just people outside the US, Enron was an energy company based out of Houston, Texas and then Arthur Anderson was the accounting firm.
Leon Fu: The auditor.
Tai Zen: The auditor that was hired to audit Enron’s books to make sure that everything was straight and…
Leon Fu: And we know what happened.
Tai Zen: It was a scam.
Leon Fu: It was a scam from the beginning, they paid off the auditors and why were they able to do that? Because the auditors were not just auditing their books, they also do consult and we saw what happened with Enron that they were saying if you don’t sign off on these false statements, we’re going to pull funding other businesses.
Not only just they were paying them to do the auditing, but all the other business they were giving them. Kind of that created a separation where the firms had to be separated, these big four or five accounting firms, separate their accounting, their auditing division with their consulting that they were doing, but nevertheless, the fundamental conflict of interest is that the person paying the auditor has a conflict of interests because…
Tai Zen: If the shareholders and the investors or the regulators paying the auditor, it’d be different.
Leon Fu: Exactly it would be different but right now that’s not the way it works.
Tai Zen: Okay so basically what you’re saying is that by using the Bitcoin public ledger, it will allow changes in finance, because it allows the triple entry as you’re talking about to where now instead of relying on a third party like Arthur Andersen, was that who it is?
Leon Fu: Yeah or KPMG, Pricewaterhouse or one of these…
Tai Zen: One of these a large accounting firm to come in and audit a company and verify that it’s accurate to the public. You can actually use the Bitcoin public ledger and now since the public company and their numbers are public they can put it on the public ledger because…
Leon Fu: Because how to do something actually happened. I mean, we all talk about one of the things where how do you record history because that’s what accounting is.
Tai Zen: That’s what James talked about in “A Million Killer Apps Part 2”. If you guys haven’t checked it out, go check it out, “A Million Killer Apps part 2” where James talks about how there’s no permanent way to record accurate data into the history books because the people who have the biggest guns and the biggest fist, they’re the ones who go in and write the history books and they can change…
Leon Fu: They can go back and change the past, I mean, with the public ledger, we actually have a record of what happened since 2009 as for Bitcoin, but this data can represent not just how many Bitcoins you and I have, but also it can be tied to data outside using hashing technology that you can know that this document existed at this point in time and that’s irrefutable.
Tai Zen: And what I like about it is that it allows the public, the shareholders, the regulators and anybody that needs to audit these companies, their books, their accounting, they can do it without permission.
Leon Fu: That’s right.
Tai Zen: They don’t need to ask anyone’s permission, if you’re a shareholder for Apple and you want to go in and audit their books to make sure that they’re doing it correctly or their numbers are accurate, you can go do it in the Bitcoin public ledger without having to ask anyone’s permission need a license or anything,
Leon Fu: And there’s a start-up in Austin, they’re called Factor and they’re trying to do this, they’re actually trying to create like this data layer built on top of the Bitcoin network where you can then validate this doing this type of auditing. That’s one of the applications that they’re trying to build infrastructure because like all we’re talking about is in Ethereum right now of possibilities, somebody is actually…
Tai Zen: That’s what the World Bitcoin Network concept of “A Million Killer Apps” is about, is being able to go out there and inventing all these new apps that will revolutionize finances. Now you mentioned also earlier…
Leon Fu: So we were talking about like about the transparency like AIG…
Tai Zen: Ok so what is AIG?
Leon Fu: AIG was a large insurance company that was selling a lot of basically debt insurance.
Tai Zen: Okay so who would need AIG service? Banks?
Leon Fu: Banks, anyone that was issuing debt so that is something like a… it could be a bank, it could be cities and governments, they have financing needs, you want to build a new sewage plant or something it’s going to cost like tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars.
And it needs to be financed over time, so then you have to borrow money, you got to borrow money that’s going to be repaid in the future and then one of the things is you could buy insurance on this money, on this debt in case the person doesn’t pay, the insurance company in this case like AIG would cover it and so there’s this debt that was created and then there’s this insurance on this debt.
Tai Zen: During the financial bubble in 2008.
So remember they created the debt which is a kind of security and then they create a derivative which was like the insurance on the debt, called credit default swaps.
And so the idea is these insurance trades, the security that goes up and down in price based on the perception of what is the risk on that and so the insurance, if it’s a very risky debt, then it’s going to be very high insurance and it’s going to cost a lot to ensure that debt.
If it’s low risk, then the default swaps would trade at a low price. So the odds of that, remember, if they do pay off, then these are worth nothing they expire, worthless, if the company or the entity borrowing the money defaults then these insurance these derivatives payout.
So in the case of Lehman Brothers, there was actually far more insurance than there was actual debt. Does that make sense?
Tai Zen: Yeah So they were…
Leon Fu: So it wasn’t about ensuring that debt anymore, it was creating this new speculative security to gamble whether or not Lehman Brothers would go out of business. So it would be almost like if you wanted to, you could buy a bunch of these CDSs and then try to make Lehman go bankrupt.
Tai Zen: That’s a conflict of interest.
Leon Fu: It can be if you were buying insurance, it would be like me buying insurance on your house hoping it burns down and then go setting the fire.
Tai Zen: It’s illegal because you don’t own the house.
Leon Fu: I don’t know the house.
Tai Zen: So you cannot buy insurance on my house.
Leon Fu: That’s right.
Tai Zen: And then the second thing is you shouldn’t be simply trying to wish that my house burns down.
Leon Fu: Exactly but in this… because remember derivatives were not regulated at all that they started creating… companies like AIG was creating all these derivatives out of nothing. And then they were selling all this insurance. They were like “Hey, you know what, I can sell even more insurance on the debt that doesn’t exist because I could make money on it.”
So AIG was there thinking that they’re safe, I don’t know, I throw out a number like 400 billion in debt and I could sell a billion dollars’ worth of insurance to cover that debt, like I’m selling more insurance than the debt that even exists and then it becomes this if they pay off the debt.
It’s all mine, and of course we know what happened in 2008, people started defaulting on their loans and then AIG didn’t actually have the capital to cover insurance that they sold.
Tai Zen: The companies like AIG that the US government bailed out and took a bunch of taxpayer’s money to help them survive and I mean in an ideal world where we can audit what AIG who was an insurance company, they were selling insurance for products that they didn’t have.
Leon Fu: Exactly. It would be like your house is worth, I don’t know, whatever it’s worth, 100 grand, it would be like I’m selling a million dollars of fire insurance on a house that is only worth 200,000 right and if it burns down then there’s about a million dollars’ worth of liabilities that…
Tai Zen: That you could make.
Leon Fu: That you could make.
Tai Zen: Which is illegal as you’re selling insurance to something that for one, you don’t own my house, I own it, I’m the only one authorized to buy insurance.
Leon Fu: You should be the only one authorized to buy insurance right and secondly they didn’t even have the million dollars to cover it. So if it actually did burn down, they wouldn’t be able to pay it.
Tai Zen: Okay so they didn’t have enough money to cover a capital so…
Leon Fu: They were selling insurance and…
Tai Zen: They don’t own…
Leon Fu: They don’t own and they don’t even have the money to pay for it if it does happen if that event happened.
Tai Zen: Okay so basically with the Bitcoin public ledger, it’ll allow the public to come in and audit them without any permission.
Leon Fu: One of the things, so this ties back into like smart contracts, where you could create this type of derivative because insurance is a product that people need, we do need to ensure our houses, our cars and other things like that. So we could spread the risk across a larger group of people, but what the potential of…part of this million apps is you could make sure that the collateral is there to back up because…
Tai Zen: Because basically collateral meaning that you actually have the money to back up what you’re ensuring.
Leon Fu: That’s right.
Tai Zen: So in case someone’s house burns down or you get into an auto wreck or something, you can actually cover the insurance that you sold to that customer.
Leon Fu: That’s right, now we don’t know that, like insurance companies sell us all this insurance, do they actually have the capital to cover us.
Tai Zen: So let’s say that I live in North Dallas, all the home’s average 250 – 300,000 dollars. And so all these home insurance companies in North Dallas, they’re selling insurance, but we don’t really know if they actually have enough money.
Leon Fu: With AIG, we knew that it happens, we knew that they didn’t have the money to actually cover what they were selling.
Tai Zen: Yeah so if they’re selling insurance to cover, let’s say a thousand houses, but then if those 1,000 houses get hit by a tornado or something, we don’t know they actually have enough money in their accounts to cover that.
Leon Fu: Well, they said they do, right?
Tai Zen: They said they do, but there’s no way for me, you or anyone in the public to audit…
Leon Fu: Well the way it works now is they hire a third party, one of these big accounting firms, and they come in and they vouch saying yes XYZ insurance company…
Tai Zen: Again there’s a conflict of interest because the insurance company is paying the auditor.
Leon Fu: We know with Enron what happened, stuff like Enron, stuff like AIG, we know that that doesn’t always work.
Tai Zen: So those are some of the financial apps that can come out of this Bitcoin public ledger, guys, and we just want to share that with you guys and make this part 3 of “A Million Killer Apps” for the World Bitcoin Network and for James D’Angelo since we haven’t had time to catch up with him in Boston.
All right guys, before we sign off, I want to say thanks for watching this video with us and subscribing to our channel PrisonOrFreedom.com, as I mentioned at the beginning this video, last year I think it was, we shot some videos about NXT, Bitcoin and people approach this at the Texas Bitcoin Conference.
And they wanted to check out your Maserati. Leon and I could not figure out how people knew that we were in a Maserati because I sure as hell didn’t know but apparently they were able to look at the interior of the car and figure out that it was – a Maserati, so you’ve gotten rid of the Maserati since then.
Leon Fu: I got a new car.
Tai Zen: You got a new car and we were checking it out and we want to see if you guys can still figure out which car we’re in this time just by looking at the interior because obviously you guys figured out what it was the last time, you guys saw the interior.
So for those of you guys who watch this video and leave a comment if you can figure out what car we’re in this time and leave it in the comments section. The first person that guesses the car correctly, we will… you’ll send them ten dollars’ worth of Bitcoin and I’ll send you guys ten dollars’ worth of Bitcoins, so make sure that you I leave a comment and say what car it is, what car we’re in and your Bitcoin public address and we’ll send you the Bitcoins.
And first come, first served, what if somebody has the same car, the more detailed information is about this car the more accurate.
Leon Fu: Alright, cool.
Tai Zen: So alright guys, thanks for watching this video guys and allowing us to share with you guys the tools, techniques and the strategies to help you find more freedom in your life, please click like give us a thumbs up.
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